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mid-side mystery

Postby ditto » February 14th, 2015, 12:47 am

I recorded a cowbell mid-side. After I cloned the side track and flipped the polarity, the resulting sound is heavily skewed to the right channel - there's 10 dB difference between the right and left channels. Hm? What's that about? I've never had that happen before. If I flip polarity on the other track, I get the same result, but it's skewed to the left.

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Re: mid-side mystery

Postby Farview » February 14th, 2015, 1:25 am

Was the cowbell held off the the right of the mics?
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Re: mid-side mystery

Postby ditto » February 14th, 2015, 12:43 pm

Farview wrote:Was the cowbell held off the the right of the mics?


I thought I was holding pretty much center, but I'll redo it more scrupulously. After my first post, I recorded in a different part of the room, in a position that would have a symmetrical reflection pattern. (The first recording was done much closer to one wall than the other - my room's pretty small. I thought maybe reflections had made the difference on the side mic. But 10 dB? Wow.)

I'll try it yet again and report back. Thanks for the idea.
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Re: mid-side mystery

Postby Musikron » February 14th, 2015, 2:23 pm

Perhaps the mic diaphragm is not acoustically balanced in the basket, so that there is a 10db difference in the frequency response in the range where the cowbell lives. Do you have another mic you can set to a figure 8 pattern and try?
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Re: mid-side mystery

Postby Farview » February 14th, 2015, 2:32 pm

If one lobe of the figure 8 was close to a reflective wall, that could easily happen. MS is good at capturing the source in the space it is in. If your room sucks, so will the recording. Why do you want a stereo cowbell?
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Re: mid-side mystery

Postby ditto » February 14th, 2015, 4:19 pm

Farview wrote: Why do you want a stereo cowbell?


The last time I used a cowbell, it was a mono track and it sounded kind of small in the mix even when I got the level right. So I tried mid-side this time to give it a bigger footprint in the mix. I'm experimenting. Recently, I've been recording bongos mid-side and I've liked the result - sort of the hand percussion equivalent of panning the bits of a drumkit. At the same time, I've been experimenting with Soundtoys Microshift. I like it and what it does, but I find it easier to control the mid-side stuff I've done.
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Re: mid-side mystery

Postby ditto » February 15th, 2015, 10:23 pm

When I recorded it yet again with the figure 8 mic equidistant from the side walls and aimed it c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y at the mid mic, I got a good result. So, when I posted this in the mixing forum, I was wrong. It should have gone into the recording forum. Bad recording technique = mixing headache. What a surprise.

As a side note, I also found what to hit the cowbell with. I've been trying knuckles, bodhran beaters, claves, mallets and metal objects. What produces the best sound is this plastic ocarina that was lying around. All's well that ends well.
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Re: mid-side mystery

Postby Farview » February 16th, 2015, 3:22 pm

Drum sticks are what they are generally hit with. Hitting it with an ocarina is just showing off. ;)
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Re: mid-side mystery

Postby Jowboy » February 17th, 2015, 10:47 pm

To be honest, that's about the best use of an ocarina I've ever heard of...unless you're Link and you're stopping time to rescue Zelda.
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Re: mid-side mystery

Postby ditto » February 18th, 2015, 1:25 am

I've always loved ocarina but I haven't got around to getting a good one. The plastic one sucks no matter how hard I blow.

But you can do cool things with it if you know what you're doing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvPtTib-VgU
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